diff --git a/egui_demo_lib/src/apps/demo/paint_bezier.rs b/egui_demo_lib/src/apps/demo/paint_bezier.rs
index d96e68a4..6cbbd140 100644
--- a/egui_demo_lib/src/apps/demo/paint_bezier.rs
+++ b/egui_demo_lib/src/apps/demo/paint_bezier.rs
@@ -122,7 +122,7 @@ impl PaintBezier {
                 let shape =
                     QuadraticBezierShape::from_points_stroke(points, true, self.fill, self.stroke);
                 painter.add(epaint::RectShape::stroke(
-                    shape.bounding_rect(),
+                    shape.visual_bounding_rect(),
                     0.0,
                     self.bounding_box_stroke,
                 ));
@@ -133,7 +133,7 @@ impl PaintBezier {
                 let shape =
                     CubicBezierShape::from_points_stroke(points, true, self.fill, self.stroke);
                 painter.add(epaint::RectShape::stroke(
-                    shape.bounding_rect(),
+                    shape.visual_bounding_rect(),
                     0.0,
                     self.bounding_box_stroke,
                 ));
diff --git a/epaint/src/bezier.rs b/epaint/src/bezier.rs
index d0a63c8a..453671d3 100644
--- a/epaint/src/bezier.rs
+++ b/epaint/src/bezier.rs
@@ -74,8 +74,17 @@ impl CubicBezierShape {
         pathshapes
     }
 
-    /// Screen-space bounding rectangle.
-    pub fn bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+    /// The visual bounding rectangle (includes stroke width)
+    pub fn visual_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+        if self.fill == Color32::TRANSPARENT && self.stroke.is_empty() {
+            Rect::NOTHING
+        } else {
+            self.logical_bounding_rect().expand(self.stroke.width / 2.0)
+        }
+    }
+
+    /// Logical bounding rectangle (ignoring stroke width)
+    pub fn logical_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
         //temporary solution
         let (mut min_x, mut max_x) = if self.points[0].x < self.points[3].x {
             (self.points[0].x, self.points[3].x)
@@ -421,8 +430,17 @@ impl QuadraticBezierShape {
         }
     }
 
-    /// bounding box of the quadratic Bézier shape
-    pub fn bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+    /// The visual bounding rectangle (includes stroke width)
+    pub fn visual_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+        if self.fill == Color32::TRANSPARENT && self.stroke.is_empty() {
+            Rect::NOTHING
+        } else {
+            self.logical_bounding_rect().expand(self.stroke.width / 2.0)
+        }
+    }
+
+    /// Logical bounding rectangle (ignoring stroke width)
+    pub fn logical_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
         let (mut min_x, mut max_x) = if self.points[0].x < self.points[2].x {
             (self.points[0].x, self.points[2].x)
         } else {
@@ -755,7 +773,7 @@ mod tests {
             fill: Default::default(),
             stroke: Default::default(),
         };
-        let bbox = curve.bounding_rect();
+        let bbox = curve.logical_bounding_rect();
         assert!((bbox.min.x - 72.96).abs() < 0.01);
         assert!((bbox.min.y - 27.78).abs() < 0.01);
 
@@ -779,7 +797,7 @@ mod tests {
             fill: Default::default(),
             stroke: Default::default(),
         };
-        let bbox = curve.bounding_rect();
+        let bbox = curve.logical_bounding_rect();
         assert!((bbox.min.x - 10.0).abs() < 0.01);
         assert!((bbox.min.y - 10.0).abs() < 0.01);
 
@@ -848,7 +866,7 @@ mod tests {
             stroke: Default::default(),
         };
 
-        let bbox = curve.bounding_rect();
+        let bbox = curve.logical_bounding_rect();
         assert_eq!(bbox.min.x, 10.0);
         assert_eq!(bbox.min.y, 10.0);
         assert_eq!(bbox.max.x, 270.0);
@@ -866,7 +884,7 @@ mod tests {
             stroke: Default::default(),
         };
 
-        let bbox = curve.bounding_rect();
+        let bbox = curve.logical_bounding_rect();
         assert_eq!(bbox.min.x, 10.0);
         assert_eq!(bbox.min.y, 10.0);
         assert!((bbox.max.x - 206.50).abs() < 0.01);
@@ -884,7 +902,7 @@ mod tests {
             stroke: Default::default(),
         };
 
-        let bbox = curve.bounding_rect();
+        let bbox = curve.logical_bounding_rect();
         assert!((bbox.min.x - 86.71).abs() < 0.01);
         assert!((bbox.min.y - 30.0).abs() < 0.01);
 
diff --git a/epaint/src/shape.rs b/epaint/src/shape.rs
index 6e2ab5df..d097b8c2 100644
--- a/epaint/src/shape.rs
+++ b/epaint/src/shape.rs
@@ -170,6 +170,34 @@ impl Shape {
         crate::epaint_assert!(mesh.is_valid());
         Self::Mesh(mesh)
     }
+
+    /// The visual bounding rectangle (includes stroke widths)
+    pub fn visual_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+        match self {
+            Self::Noop => Rect::NOTHING,
+            Self::Vec(shapes) => {
+                let mut rect = Rect::NOTHING;
+                for shape in shapes {
+                    rect = rect.union(shape.visual_bounding_rect());
+                }
+                rect
+            }
+            Self::Circle(circle_shape) => circle_shape.visual_bounding_rect(),
+            Self::LineSegment { points, stroke } => {
+                if stroke.is_empty() {
+                    Rect::NOTHING
+                } else {
+                    Rect::from_two_pos(points[0], points[1]).expand(stroke.width / 2.0)
+                }
+            }
+            Self::Path(path_shape) => path_shape.visual_bounding_rect(),
+            Self::Rect(rect_shape) => rect_shape.visual_bounding_rect(),
+            Self::Text(text_shape) => text_shape.visual_bounding_rect(),
+            Self::Mesh(mesh) => mesh.calc_bounds(),
+            Self::QuadraticBezier(bezier) => bezier.visual_bounding_rect(),
+            Self::CubicBezier(bezier) => bezier.visual_bounding_rect(),
+        }
+    }
 }
 
 /// ## Inspection and transforms
@@ -260,6 +288,18 @@ impl CircleShape {
             stroke: stroke.into(),
         }
     }
+
+    /// The visual bounding rectangle (includes stroke width)
+    pub fn visual_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+        if self.fill == Color32::TRANSPARENT && self.stroke.is_empty() {
+            Rect::NOTHING
+        } else {
+            Rect::from_center_size(
+                self.center,
+                Vec2::splat(self.radius + self.stroke.width / 2.0),
+            )
+        }
+    }
 }
 
 impl From<CircleShape> for Shape {
@@ -327,10 +367,14 @@ impl PathShape {
         }
     }
 
-    /// Screen-space bounding rectangle.
+    /// The visual bounding rectangle (includes stroke width)
     #[inline]
-    pub fn bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
-        Rect::from_points(&self.points).expand(self.stroke.width)
+    pub fn visual_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+        if self.fill == Color32::TRANSPARENT && self.stroke.is_empty() {
+            Rect::NOTHING
+        } else {
+            Rect::from_points(&self.points).expand(self.stroke.width / 2.0)
+        }
     }
 }
 
@@ -379,10 +423,14 @@ impl RectShape {
         }
     }
 
-    /// Screen-space bounding rectangle.
+    /// The visual bounding rectangle (includes stroke width)
     #[inline]
-    pub fn bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
-        self.rect.expand(self.stroke.width)
+    pub fn visual_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+        if self.fill == Color32::TRANSPARENT && self.stroke.is_empty() {
+            Rect::NOTHING
+        } else {
+            self.rect.expand(self.stroke.width / 2.0)
+        }
     }
 }
 
@@ -491,9 +539,9 @@ impl TextShape {
         }
     }
 
-    /// Screen-space bounding rectangle.
+    /// The visual bounding rectangle
     #[inline]
-    pub fn bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
+    pub fn visual_bounding_rect(&self) -> Rect {
         self.galley.mesh_bounds.translate(self.pos.to_vec2())
     }
 }
diff --git a/epaint/src/tessellator.rs b/epaint/src/tessellator.rs
index 89bcb1d6..cc1c75fc 100644
--- a/epaint/src/tessellator.rs
+++ b/epaint/src/tessellator.rs
@@ -793,7 +793,7 @@ impl Tessellator {
         let clip_rect = self.clip_rect;
 
         if options.coarse_tessellation_culling
-            && !quadratic_shape.bounding_rect().intersects(clip_rect)
+            && !quadratic_shape.visual_bounding_rect().intersects(clip_rect)
         {
             return;
         }
@@ -816,7 +816,8 @@ impl Tessellator {
     ) {
         let options = &self.options;
         let clip_rect = self.clip_rect;
-        if options.coarse_tessellation_culling && !cubic_shape.bounding_rect().intersects(clip_rect)
+        if options.coarse_tessellation_culling
+            && !cubic_shape.visual_bounding_rect().intersects(clip_rect)
         {
             return;
         }
@@ -870,7 +871,7 @@ impl Tessellator {
         }
 
         if self.options.coarse_tessellation_culling
-            && !path_shape.bounding_rect().intersects(self.clip_rect)
+            && !path_shape.visual_bounding_rect().intersects(self.clip_rect)
         {
             return;
         }